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PyCon 2008

Turbogears I just returned from PyCon 2008 in Chicago, where I connected up again with a few people I met last year and met a few new people. Rather than write a travelogue, I'll just highlight a few of the main things that I learned/did.

It looks like some of the niceties of Zope2 are going to leave the silo under the Repose project. This means that the zope transaction manager (, retry engine (repoze.retry) and other zope features can be used by your WSGI application. Also it means that Zope can be hosted as a WSGI app.

I learned there are ways to extend _import_ that don't involve rewriting _import_. I don't know if I'll ever need to know this, but it might be useful in a plugin loader of some sort. There's a flow chart in Brett's SVN.

I should probably use more weak references in my Python code. Dr. Tim Couper gave a lucid overview of references weak and strong, and practical ways of dealing with circular references, including how to detect them using unittest. I hope he posts his slides soon.

Kevin Dangoor gave a slick demo of TG 2 and Dojo, and gave a quick introduction to Comet servers. It looks like dojo does pretty much everything that Mochikit does, but adds support for Javascript UI widgets. Comet looks really cool. More about that later.

Tahoe is a nifty looking distributed remote filesystem concept. It needs fuse drivers though before it's really a filesystem rather than a storage mechanism (like S3). It's all RESTy though, which makes some people happy.

There are metrics for measuring code complexity, and python has tools to do that. Basically every branch in a method increases complexity by one. Keep complexity down to 10 or less to make unit testing feasible. More than 10 and the number of unittests required to cover every branch starts to get unmanageable. Apparently there is a PyMetrics module for measuring code complexity. Here are the slides from a very interesting talk.

I held a BoF on i18n'izing web applications, and a few people helped me to brainstorm this problem. The general consensus was that you should do translation as close to the user as prudent; view certainly, controller is ok, but never in the model, if you have messages that are generated by some other process, or that gets cached to the database, the "data" should be stored separately from the operational message. Generally you should avoid sending this kind of data to the end user, and instead abstract it with messages of your own. Barry Warsaw came in to the BoF with a hard problem; usually when you're handling web templates, you filter out the non-element text and build a string table out of that. What about the cases however, where you have <em> or <b> tags? I think that if you had an XML parser that would extract the text elements, and if sub-elements are present lump them with the text. For example, if you had "This text <b>needs</b> to be translated", it would be collected as one string, but if you had "<div><span>Phrase 1</span><span>Phrase 2</span></div>" it would be two phrases.

There are a couple of cool tools that have stemmed from the PyPy project. The first offers a framework for distributed testing. Py.test does stack introspection so that simple "assert" statements can be used instead of the pseudo self.assertEquals().

I got together with some people to talk about Python Packaging. Here are some notes from the meeting, and there's been some additional discussion on the distutils-SIG mailing list. Jeff Rush did a tutorial on Thursday, and his slides and exercises are available. Hopefully something coherent comes out of this, but it looks like more of the same resistance to making application installation reasonable.

I talked briefly with Ivan Krstić and Noah Kantrowitz about python plugin frameworks. Hopefully we'll be able to collaborate some on a generic system for application extensions.

Probably the coolest thing I learned about was a couple of protocols, both implemented by orbited. Orbited's client libraries allow for a user to connect to a orbited server to provide a push mechanism for sending messages to a web browser. The Orbited team was shooting for a 0.4 release after the PyCon Sprints this week. Check out their IRC client demo.

PyCryptoPP was suggested to me as a decent Python based Crypto library, since it's simply python wrappers for Crypto++. PyOpenssl has a new maintainer, and should be getting some much needed attention.

I also enjoyed Raymond Hettinger's talk on "Core Python Containers". It was very helpful in understanding what list, dict, deque and set do behind the scenes, and how to use them most efficiently.

Overall, I had a great experience at PyCon 2008. The venue was big enough for all of us (there were more than 1000 registrants), and there was more than enough room for Open Space/BoF talks.

Chicago style pizza is definitely different from anything I have eaten before. The jury is still out as to whether it's worth the hype.


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Catherine Devlin on :

You also very kindly gave me two blank CDs. Thanks very much for that!

Isaac Csandl on :

Hi Joe, I think I met you at some point... anyhoo, I joined the Chicago Complaints Choir ( a while back, and one of our complaints is "only tourists like deep dish pizza" ... which is not really true, but the quality varies a LOT. Giordano's is pretty good. But there are a lot of places that really mess it up. :-)

Joseph Tate on :

I had "Gino's East" on Friday and Saturday. I love deep dish pizza usually, but I like mine a little more spicy. Call me mundane, but I think I like Domino's Deep Dish better. I just wish their toppings were better.

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